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Anchored by Jake Tapper, The Lead airs at 4 p.m. ET on CNN.

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The latest on national protests. Plus, what went wrong in Yemen rescue attempt?

The latest on national protests. Plus, what went wrong in Yemen rescue attempt?

July 18th, 2014
06:55 PM ET

Roundtable: Where do the rebels end, and Russia begin?

(CNN) - What was once a civil war, now spills over into an international crisis with the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, and the loss of 298 lives.

The Ukrainian government has released what it says are intercepted calls from the moments before and after the flight was allegedly shot down.

Major: The plane broke into pieces in the air ... we have found the first 200 (dead). It's a civilian."

Grek: "How are things going there?"

M: "Well, we are 100% sure that it was a civilian plane."

G: "Are there a lot of people?"

M: "F–k! The debris was falling straight into the yards."

M: "Here are remnants of internal brackets, chairs, bodies."

G: "Are there any weapons?"

M: "Nothing at all. Civilian belongings, medical scraps, towels, toilet paper."

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Friday blasted the "terrorists" he blamed for shooting down the plane a day earlier, with 298 people aboard.

CNN cannot independently verify the authenticity of the phone call, and it is not known if the recordings were edited or when they were made.

Who are these pro-Russian rebels? And mistake or not, what happens now?

Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor and The New Republic's Julia Ioffe weigh in.

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